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Long Range
Plan Review Committee
Minutes
January 8, 2007
Members in Attendance:
Harry Amend* Mike DeLong Katie Harris Jill Neal* Tami Stroud
Rosie Astorquia* Jim Ferguson Doug Jaworski Vern Newby* Dianna Walde
Hazel Bauman* Scott Fischer* Mary Larson Dave Patzer
Jeff Bengtson Lana Hamilton Erin Lenz Joel Palmer
Susan Clayton Chris Hammons Bryan Martin* Pam Pratt*
Jane Curtis Russ Hansen David Miller Lori Smith
*Ex-officio members
Welcome:
Dave Patzer called the meeting to order at 4:35 p.m. The meeting was
held at the Midtown Center meeting room.
Approval of Minutes:
Motion by Lana Hamilton, second by Jeff Bengtson to approve the November
27, 2006 minutes, approved unanimously. Motion by Jeff Bengtson, second
by Jane Curtis to approve the December 13, 2006 minutes, approved
unanimously with one minor change indicating that Pam Pratt is an
ex-officio member.
Roundtable Discussion to develop Sorensen input for the Board:
Dave stated that the goal of tonights meeting is to forward a
recommendation to the Board regarding whether Sorensen Elementary should
remain open or if it should close. Cheri was at the computer and as the
committee members came up with the pros and cons they were typed and
projected onto the screen. The committee was provided with a lot of
information at the last meeting. They requested more time to review the
information and bring back questions and/or comments to this meeting.
The following comments and/or questions were made by the committee:
What would the projected savings ($400,000) for closing Sorensen be
used for? This would be decided by the Board and administration. The
District made $2,100,000 worth of cuts last year and would like to
re-invest it back into the programs.
What is the goal of closing a school? The District needs to show that
they are prudent with the dollars they have in order to receive more
support from the community for the dollars that we need.
Test scores, socio-economics and small schools were discussed.
If the levy fails, are we right back here again? We would not start
over. If the Board decides to keep Sorensen open and the levy fails
twice, Sorensen would be on a long list of important things that would
be in jeopardy.
It is an emotional issue but quite a few people are in favor of
closing Sorensen (cost savings, economy of scale, declining student
enrollment in the south, growing enrollment in the north and west, etc.)
If Sorensen remains open, the facility needs to be discussed. The
building was built in 1959. There is asbestos in the building and
eventually it will need to be removed (not an issue right now). The
plumbing, water piping and electrical are okay but if something breaks a
lot of times the parts are no longer available and they have to be
replaced. When the State comes next month to do their inspection, the
building will do very well but they are getting tougher. We make sure
that all students and staff are safe in all the buildings. The long term
expenses are huge. A big concern associated with this building is ADA.
Do we have to be ADA compliant? Who is the governing body of this? The
governing body is the Office of Civil Rights. If someone files a
complaint that they have been denied access to a public facility, an
investigation is done and then they can come back and tell you that it
has be fixed immediately. There are 3 schools that have elevator issues.
The site is not adequate for an elementary school (play area). It was
not originally designed to be an elementary school.
Why do we need to do this since the Board has all of the information?
The role of the Long Range Planning Committee is to take the time to
have these conversations and the Board wants the input in order to help
them make a decision.
Political fallout will result whether the school remains open or if it
is closed (2 sides to the issue).
What about accreditation? Accreditation looks at a broad scope
(programs, staffing, certification, etc). The site and facility is only
about 1/10th of the input into the accreditation. You could completely
fail in that category and still be accredited.
We would not lose staff and children. Sorensen is a building (too
expensive) and those students can be absorbed into the other schools and
they will be happy.
There is political support for maintaining the facility where it is
at. Closing the school could affect our partnerships with other
entities. We cant ignore this.
The distance between the downtown schools was discussed.
There have been discussions about providing low to medium income
housing in the downtown core.
Hopefully, before the Board makes a decision, we will receive
projections and some specific data on this housing in the downtown area.
Where in the downtown area will these be built?
The other 9/10s of the district dont have a passion to keep the
school open. Does the community really know our facilities? We have
toured the buildings, including Sorensen, and know what they are all
about. They may feel differently if they did the same.
The Indigo school will possibly be closing in the spring. These
students could be coming to the downtown schools. Are you taking those
students into account?
If we were to close the school and then needed to re-open it in 2-3
years, would we have to spend a lot of money to bring it to code?
Generally the turning point on a building is the occupancy. If you
change it to a different occupancy, then you would have to comply with
the code standards. If you kept it as an elementary school, there is
grandfather language in the code.
The timing stinks and it is portraying a negative image for the
District. The credibility of the District is being compromised.
Yes the site is poor, but what about our programs? Where is the
alternative? This decision should be made 2-3 years from now. It is too
short sighted.
We have waited 5 years for the growth to return and it hasnt. The
Attendance Zone Committee has also been looking at this.
Closing Sorensen displaces students but keeping it allows us to have
an enrollment cushion. Ideally it would be great to upgrade Winton,
build a larger school and combine Sorensen and Winton.
This is the first real attempt at starting a magnet school. We need to
give it an opportunity.
The magnet school concept was discussed.
Long range is like a chess game. If Winton was rebuilt, where would
the children go (displaced during construction)? Closing Sorensen
eliminates one of the pieces of the chessboard.
Will the Board be making a decision on the future of Sorensen in
February? We cant guarantee that the decision will be made by February
but it is our goal to have this decision made soon in order to move
forward with the levy planning.
The boundary overlap in the downtown schools is a problem. If Sorensen
was eliminated, it spaces out the schools better.
It is cheaper to build a new school rather than upgrade an old
building. Need to build a new school where the growth is.
The gym is used by the City of Coeur dAlene Recreation Department.
Where would they go? To other schools.
There is a lot of political support to keep the school open. It would
be a great time to get help financially for an alternative use such as a
magnet school. This would be a win-win solution.
Are there any city/federal funds available to keep inter-city schools
open? Can you apply for grants? We need to look into that. You can have
interagency agreements where money exchanges hands.
Cant this be included as a line item on the ballot? Yes, it is a
possibility.
The Board and Long Range Planning needs to make the decision. They are
the most informed on this issue.
The downtown schools need to do something different to attract
children.
The committee agreed to have an advisory vote by ballot. They were asked
to write down open or close. There were 18 voting members in attendance.
In accordance with the By-Laws, Jill Neal was unable to vote because
this is her 5th year on the committee. Dave Patzer collected all the
ballots and read each vote out loud and Harry tabulated it on the board.
10 committee members were in favor of keeping Sorensen open and 8
members were in favor of closing the school. Dave will give a report to
the Board on Tuesday. He will provide them with the pros and cons that
were put together tonight as well as the results of the advisory vote.
David Miller and the Sorensen staff will give a presentation on the
magnet school proposal.
Stakeholders Meeting:
Harry reminded everyone of the Supplemental Maintenance & Operations
Levy Community Input Forum from 7:00-9:00 p.m. on Thursday, January 11th
at the Human Rights Institute. He thanked everyone for their time and
all their hard work.
Next Meeting:
The next Long Range Planning meeting will be held on Monday, February
26, 2007 at 4:30 p.m. at the Midtown Center meeting room.
Adjournment:
The meeting was adjourned at 6:50 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Cheri Beard
Administrative Secretary
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